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 email from urbanfonts to myself:
[quote]urbanfonts:
Your forum has been promoting hatred against me and my site for something I didn't do. Your user Kat has been posting aggressive comments on message boards about this and they're UNTRUE.
I already told you a million times that I didn't post these posts, that someone I hired did this WITHOUT my knowledge. Your continued posting on the subject is against the law as you're telling untruthful things about me and I've had it already. I ask you to immediately remove all these posts from your site and to tell your user Kat to stop posting these posts there or elsewhere.
My promise: I did NOT post these posts and I DID NOT copy your site. If you check the IP's you will see that it doesn't resolve to me. Keep accusing me of this and / or copying your site is not true, simply NOT TRUE.
If you have proof that I did any of this (which I didn't), please sue me, however, if you don't, and you keep posting these things, I will have no choice but to sue you. I do have legal representation in Canada where I believe you're located.[/quote]
bring it on Brandon. hatred? please... just the information. Nobody even swore, which you were deserving at times. you were handled with due caution and approrpiate level of civility.
im going to continue posting information related to this case so people know.
i have STOPPED posting about this few days ago, and almost forgot you exists, until you sent me this. Well, as YOU would like it, lets keep it going.
For the background story please read the following 2 threads:
http://www.abstractfonts.com/forum/thread/11133/9244#post9244
http://www.abstractfonts.com/forum/thread/31938
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Ok.. HOW do I unzip.. (or is it sip..w/e) The font?!?!? I am CONFUSED!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
SOme one help?!?! PLEAS?!?!?
Lots of love and confusedness,
jEnnA
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Well, if you lose – by accident or error – something, you have to buy it again. I guess it's normal. You can even try to sue Microsoft, if you're a solicitor and it's cheaper than 80£.
Joe, I admit: I truly do not get your point.
It's like being charged for loosing the font and WANTING to have it again.
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Nick: Google I said.
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Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.
So, I'm guessing you're not a lawyer, but i'll ask anyway. Say we go ahead and use this font without purchasing rights because technically no ownership was claimed... Years from now we're making millions of dollars on our products bearing this font (that's our plan) -- can the font creator come to us after the fact and sue for money? Do you know if there would be legal grounds for that?
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There are four fonts I am aware of that you may be interested in
1) Oleander Stained Glass
2) Bartholomeow Stained Glass
3) Woods World Stained Glass
and
4) SC Stained Glass
This one was designed by Lisa Rohrbaugh
last known email I know of: lisar@blazenet.net
They have all been available online at one time or another - and I don't think they are commercial - but I don't know, so sorry I cannot provide you a link - but it looks like they all use "Stained Glass" in their names.
Make that 5 - I just found out about:
Stained Glass a font created by Sue Ralston http://www.web-of-dreams.com/
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[img:cf368bd22a]http://www.dafont.org/smileys/bottomline.gif[/img:cf368bd22a]
The issue is this. With a digitized typeface you cannot distribute a font only a typeface. For the simple reason that the whole subset is available in that typeface.
Alex faces 3 situations. One with the typeface designers who hold the copyright on the actual design which they sell or license to others. For money or for free. Commercial typeface, shareware typeface or freeware. One with the companies that market a typeface and one with his partners in this forum.
The last ones are typeface vendors. I assume they support these sort of forums to stop/limit the unlimited spreading of their sales items. So without any doubt Alex's contract with his sponsors has a clear clause about not making commercial typefaces available other than linking/directing to his sponsors. Fair enough.
The secon ones are the type foundries, Linotype, Monotype, ITC, Bitstream to name a few. These parties do not legally hold the copyright on a typeface (That is with the designer), unless the designer actually sold the copyright. But they do hold the copyright ont the NAME of the typeface .
So we face the odd situation that patent law seems to allow the originator of a typeface to protect the name he chooses to identify his work but he can't protect the actual design. Consequently, everyone is copying typefaces and re-issuing them with a different name. Without consequences if they also change the copyright lines and so in the metrics (This stems from the time of lead letter printing when purchasing font sets of a typeface actually meant buying many kilos of lead and the right to use that lead. (Or Linotype/Monotype matrixes).
They will sue Alex when he makes their typefaces available for free on his site. And they will win. If Alex links to another site, the mere thought behind the hyperlink in the internet, they will sue him too. In that case they will not win. See Napster. But ... they will throw in corporate legal with such force that Alex will be bankrupt before the preliminary proceedings are half way. Which is the whole idea because it is their only possibility to stop the free distribution chain. Again see Napster.
So, when Alex asks to NOT to (link[/u:cf368bd22a] to these typefaces please understand.
End of college.
Have fun and ... be nice to the cats
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Urbanfonts not only copied the Abstractfonts.com site concept but to make it look grown up it copied [part of] the forum too. Where I come from this is called theft of intelectual property. An economical delict with a maximum of 3 years in prison and fines up to € 250.000.
Sue the guy!
I've set a spider at the urbanfonts forum. Let's see what can be collected.
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