hey ..thanks for helping!

and the other one

CEMENT is Copperplate Gothic

I got the inside to the outline font as Copperplate.........it works perfectly. But outlining it doesn't produce the same look.

thanks for trying to help though....

I never did find a font for Cooper so I just redrew it....

hugz

well, outlining is not a rocket science, but it requires some skills :) Rounded corners outline would do the trick, in my opinion.

For the Cooper, I can't figure what perspective correction to apply to find a match. It may help if I can see the sample in the original context.