Font Identification Request: Not resolved

http://wasp.cs.vu.nl/sekt/dion/images/dion-logo.jpg

So can anyone tell me what is that ont and this

http://www.logodesignworks.com/logo-designs/logo-design-d/main/DionneLimousines.gif


Limousines is the University Bold [condensed].


The first one (red with blue shadow) could be many typefaces but I think it's a plain Verdana.


Most probably Verdana. But can indeed be one of many. Tried the dionne thing but no match. Also not after perspective correction. Not for D, neither for E.


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