The first one, as you may have guessed, I dont know. As for the second one go for a condensed version of [and I don't claim this list to be complete :idea: ]:
Black Chancery
BD Merced
Blue Moon
Cherries Black
DickensScriptSSK Regular
Nothingham
Newborough

Try Black, Regular

http://www.abstractfonts.com/search/chancery

From Doug Miles' Black Chancery bitmap font. Autotracing by Fontographer 3.2. Added diacritics. Public domain.. [/quote:e8cb5dae71]